JELANI COBB: So we’ve been out with the gang unit. They’re going and around getting guns. Getting illegal guns requires you rolling up on folks. How does that happen without being the same sorts of policing that people are protesting about?

Mayor RAS BARAKA:Intelligence, who is actually somebody you should probably stop, and somebody who’s just Ms. Martha’s kid going to the store with his hat to the back, right?

So I mean, that’s—intelligence gets you that information, not just, like, random stops. That’s not how you police. I mean, that right there is racism.

JELANI COBB:But these are black and brown cops.

Mayor RAS BARAKA:Yeah, so what?

JELANI COBB:Diverse police officer—police force.

Mayor RAS BARAKA:It’s not the who did it that make it racism. To me, it is the fact that, overwhelmingly, it happens to one specific group of people is what makes it racism.